Wednesday, March 5, 2008

NASCAR Invents New Penalties For The 4,879th Time

From NASCAR's release:

As a result, Edwards and car owner Jack Roush have been penalized 100 championship driver and 100 championship owner points, respectively. In the event the 99 team qualifies for the Chase for the NASCAR Sprint Cup, the team will not receive the 10 bonus points for the UAW-Dodge 400 victory used for determining the Chase seeding order. Crew chief Bob Osborne has been fined $100,000, suspended from the next six NASCAR Sprint Cup Series events, suspended from NASCAR until April 30 and placed on probation until Dec. 31.


To start with, I'm not against the penalty per se. If the team did this as a "competitive advantage" and got caught, I'm fine with that. My problems lie in the amount of points taken (100 versus 25) and the amount of the fine ($100,000 vs. $15,000) given. If you want to say it's increased because of Cup vs. Nationwide, say that. Next, we've seen Nationwide teams appeal penalties to have them reduced, and rumor has it the commission will reduce Robby Gordon's massive penalty to just a hefty fine. I think NASCAR just may be making the penalties artificially higher, figuring the commission will reduce them on appeal. Lastly, we know NASCAR is biased against Roush. I don't want to hear the Roush-haters run their mouths on this, if you say Edwards cheated to win at Vegas, explain his victory just last week at California with no troubles. In all honesty, I'd rather the team take the hit now rather than later. As several drivers showed last year, you can overcome a penalty and make the Chase. My last complaint is the stripping of his 10 bonus points for the Chase. I feel this is extremely unfair if the win still stands. Since the inception of this incredibly stupid rule last year, winning races became important and gives a significant advantage to those that manage to win during the regular season. This is an action that has no precedent and is contradictory in its application. You're allowing him to keep the win, but taking away not only 100 championship points, but also the 10 bonus points to start the Chase. So in essence, it's a 110-point penalty. I sincerely hope that provision is taken away on appeal.

What do you think?

5 comments:

HW's World of Sports said...

A-men!

MArc said...

"If you want to say it's increased because of Cup vs. Nationwide, say that."

That's only part of the answer. The other half is the NNS penalties were for oil tank cap/lids that were only partially loose.

In the #99's case, and according to the AP's Jenna Fryer, the lid was completely removed.

She's also reported certain competitors (unnamed) circulated an image of Carl doing the backflip that clearly depicted the lid as missing.

The advantage in having it removed is explained in detail at NASCAR's newest blog Stock Car Science.

MArc said...

And I should have added... "Since the inception of this incredibly stupid rule last year, winning races became important and gives a significant advantage to those that manage to win during the regular season. This is an action that has no precedent and is contradictory in its application."

No need for a precedent, at the time of the original issuance of The Memo dealing with CoT/CORN penalties and fines it was well documented they could and would be escalated if needed.

Now it's happened.

thecatfishshow said...

That may well be the case, but it still amounts to penalizing him twice by doing it in that way. He's being penalized 100 points now, then when the Chase starts, he would be penalized another 10. It shouldn't read as just a 100-point penalty.

Unfortunately, I'm well aware of NASCAR's self-determined system and no precedent is ever needed. On appeal though, it may be a bit tougher to enforce.

I'm glad you mentioned both the AP report and blog post. I had had some confusion on the specifics. All in all, I'm not opposed to a penalty for the crime, but the way it stands now is unacceptable, IMO.

Crazy20fan said...

Those 100 points will not matter if he makes the Chase, so I think the 10 bonus points being taken away is fair. Sure Carl and his team may have not intentionally cheated but there are teams if given the chance would, and claim oh the bolts came loose or a part malfunctioned. Who is NASCAR going to believe and who are they going to think is lying, when all you have is the teams say so? NASCAR has to send a message to everyone, that if you are found in violation of their rules then you will be punished weather it was deliberate or not.